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for tax reform, grover norquist. he is the person who got some members of congress to sign a pledge to not sign taxes. a number of republicans said they are willing to vote for a tax increase. this is just under an hour. >> thank you for coming out. two weeks in a row, thank you very much for coming out and we will have another one next wednesday and we appreciate you being here. grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform. people who are following us on twitter, just tweeted, we'll take your questions. we want to thank the bank of america for supporting these series. the forum is about issues that matter most in washington. last week, how the obama campaign won and today we will talk about very important issue for conservatives and republicans, the path forward for them and their party. we appreciate bank of america's partnership including at both of the conventions. and we are going to bring you into the conversation. you got cards. we would love to take your questions and also be getting questions as they call it on "morning joe"," the twitter machine. we would love to
stoned? and if so, how did they give her dollar bills? >>neil: take the 98 percent deal and deal with tax rate hikes on the rich later? that is a republican congressman. comingcoming to you from sunny california, the tax capital of the world, taxes could now go even higher for those earning more than $250,000 a year, or maybe a lot higher because a republican congressman seas we should freeze tax rates for the majority of the americans in time for christmas and deal with the top 2 percent who likely see their rates raised later. that triggers this reaction from house of representatives speaker boehner. >> i told tom i disagreed. you are not going to grow the economy if you raise tax rates on the top two rates. it will hurt small business. it will hurt our economy. that is why this is not the right approach. >> now the guy at the center of the tax storm, oklahoma republican congressman, congressman, he singled you out for calling you out. how do you feel about that? >> i like the speaker. we have a great relationship and we are able to talking directly and honestly with each other and i ha
>> what i can confirm is that 45 p. the top rate of tax will be higher under this government than any of the 13 years of the last government. that is the fact. that's the richest in the country will be paying more in terms of income tax in every of this government than in any year of that government. .. was investing eight hundred million pounds, an excellent eight hundred million pounds to combat tax avoidance. there was no such investment taking place with 15% cut in the budget. is the prime minister guilty of tax of points for tax evasion? >> $900 million into specific majors of tax avoidance. all these schemes grew up under years of labour government. they never did a general tax avoidance. they presided over a system where people in the city were paying less taxes than their cleaners and the government has sorted out. >> not to be remembered as the prime minister introduced regulation of the press, an essential part of a free democracy. would you agree with me that regulation derives -- you are pregnant or not pregnant. you either have state regulation or you don't. there is
, president obama wants more in the $1.5 trillion in tax hikes, but he has no plan -- or announced cuts in spending, why those tax hikes don't add up to anything meaningful and we'll talk with the ceo of cke restaurants, andy puzder and says, tax rates will stifle economic growth and our favorite doctors are here, to psychoanalyze the scandal that brought down the head of the cia. we are delighted to be joined, now, by the admiral james lyons, retired commander of the u.s. pacific fleet. it is always good to have you with us. thanks for being here. >> nice to be back with you, lou. >> lou: let's turn, to first, the talking pois. which, it seems that no one after general petraeus made it clear there had been changes in those talking points, the testimony before congress s been surveyed, and congressman mike rogers, the chair of the house intelligence committee, said, it has to be the white house, because everybody else has testified that they didn't. do you agree? >> i agree. and, in that deputy's committee i'm hurry the white house representative and the national securityfrom the nation
's supporters to pressure congress to increase taxes on the wealthy by releasing a report estimating consumers could spend dplooerl $200 billion less in 2013 if no deal is reached. joining me now live from capitol hill is luke russert. luke, what are you hearing from senators regarding this? i note that chuck todd said we should expect some to go against the pledge. it's interesting to see what the house republicans say. >> that is the whole thing, tamron. sure, you're hearing the senate talking about moving toward a bipartisan deal. you're seeing concessions by folks like saxby chambliss and other folks, however, then tire debate comes down to negotiations between president obama and house speaker boehner. specifically what can he sell to the house republican conference. they've been very stubborn in terms of moving toward any significant raising of tax rates in order to garner revenue. we heard plans that they really do see a way forward with the combination of spending cuts, closing tax loopholes. this so-called vagueness we do not know the specifics oup, they're saying, folks, support this
a campaign to persuade voters that his plans for higher taxes on the wealthy are the right path forward. leading republicans creating consternation within their own party does they reversed themselves from taxes and seemingly the president's ideas of increases, a growing number on the right rejecting their no new taxes pledges and instead are now claiming the grover norquist is the real problem in washington d.c. fox digital politics center is here with us tonight as is the daily caller stalker carlson. egyptian leader declaring new powers for himself, claiming he won't be just another dictator. just a week ago praised by the obama administration for brokering a ceasefire in gaza, and now the white house is silent on the more -- coupe. middle east expert professor hoover institute senior fellow "wall street journal" as columnist among our guests here tonight. we begin with the president's broad based strategy to conduct our right class warfare against the republican party on the issue of taxes and the fiscal cliff. the white house today released a report from the council of economic adv
and then doing briefs for action. as a group, we said the priorities would be to reform taxes and invest in job creation, and the cuts to medicare, medicaid and social security occurred last summer to the tune of 1.7 trillion dollars. now's the time to imagine how we grow the economy, to help feed the economic recovery, and that growth will help reduce the debt. the conversation with the president was about that bigger frame, and how we think about it. and then imagining the suffering that everybody is seeing all across this country, how can we restore the american middle class if we continue to cut programs that support people staying either in the middle class or not falling from it. >> do you believe some form of entitlement reform has to be part of a "grand bargain," a large down payment of paying down the debt? >> i reject the notion of entitlement. i think these are guaranteed social insurance programs of this country committed to our elders and long time ago. we just had a national debate in the country where there were two different visions, one that said, you're on your own, and anothe
's the simultaneous convergence of tax increases and spending cuts designed to pressure lawmakers accepting other negotiated deficit reduction changes. it includes expiration of the bush era tax cuts that would effect everyone. expiration of the tax cut around for years can be called a tax increase. the nonpartisan budget office would bring in $1 trillion in ten years. on tap, 1.2 trillion in spending cuts for ten years. $100 billion in first year. half to defense programs. half to nondefense. cbo says going off the cliff would lead to a recession next year. we have fox team coverage tonight. ed henry is trying to read tea leaves on a day of mixed signals from all sides but we begin with mike emanuel on the possibility that g.o.p. lawmakers may put their oath of office above a promise to antitax increase organizer. good evening. >> good evening. the republican sources say they are offering a balanced approach of significant spending cuts and some revenue without boosting tax rates. >> we have been responsible as we remain firm on this point. no tax increases now for promised spending cuts that wo
to be optimistic. neither taxes nor spending nor entitlements were solved today. in fact, president obama never even mentioned the word spending. the one thing we do know, your taxes are going up from an obama care tax attack. no matter what happens on the fiscal cliff. and is another bailout nation on the way? student loans up to $1 trillion, huge delinquency rates, default rates going sky high, no credit standards and sky high tuition. sound likes a real bad story to me. ceos have just wrapped up their meeting with president obama about the fiscal cliff and minutes ago john harwood landed a big fish. goldman sachs ceo lloyd blank finefein. >> the highlight of the meeting was the intensity from which the white house emphasized that marge al rates as a matter of math and politics have to go up somewhat, if not all the way to 31.6 had to go up and as p he said as a necessary ingredient of a deal, he would support such a rate. >> the president said we would pursue our own interests. i'm not -- i'm certainly not insisting, i don't even desire higher rates. i think there lab drag if revenue goes up
tax cuts on consumer spending. as we know with all of this talk of the fiscal cluf tax cuts are set to spike at the beginning of next year. according to the new report allowing middle class tax rates to group, along with allowing the current tax cut to expire would change the gdp. this is all part of the president's effort to extent the burr-era tax cuts for americans making less than $250,000 a year, all while incriesing taxes on the wealthy. it seems some members of the dgdp could be coming around and be ready to go against the grover norquist pledge. more bill press after the break. stay with us. you're about to watch an viewer created ad message for little caesars who proudly salutes united states veterans everywhere. >> clarksville is a small town on the tennesse/kentucky boader and it is a really great place to raise a family. my name is lloyd allard i was a chief officer in the special forces, i was in the army for 23 years. i have made 1400 parachute jumps. well, my experience in the military was varied. i spent a lot of time in iraq, a lot of time in kuwait. i did
their taxes automatically go up at the beginning of next wreer. right now, as we speak, congress can pass a law that would prevent a tax hike on the first $250,000 of everybody's income. gerri: there's the president calling out congress. what do you have to say, congressman? >> yeah, here we go in the middle of this. the house passed all our tax things in april. we passed the sequestering documents in may. we waited for the senate since may to reciprocate on that. the senate and white house sat on it, and they said we'll see you in the lame duck period. now it's lame duck, and now they want to get started when we finished or work in may on it. it's been frustrating in the process. it's the same song, 38th verse on it, waiting for the senate to get it going. now we're actually going, and the president now says you can clear the table on this. the reality is this is not a tax issue. it never has been a tax issue. we have the same amount of revenue coming in in 2012 that we had in 2007, but we spend a trillion dollars more per year now than we did five years ago. this is a spending issue. ge
of americans for tax reform, talked about the so- called fiscal cliff and the upcoming tax bills in congress. he will also talk about the 2012 election and recent meetings at the white house between congressional leaders and president obama. this is an hour and 20 minutes. >> we are delighted to have grover norquist with us. of course, he is president of americans for tax reform but in the spirit of full disclosure, he is also a member of our board of directors and a very important colleague. grover spoke here several months ago, i should say here at the center, but not in this room because we moved -- there may be some glitches, so i apologize in advance. i am sure we will do better next time. however, grover talked about taxes, u.s. economic policy. but that was about taxes and the electoral campaign. now we had elections and the taxes are at the center of a very important political debate and at the center of negotiations between the obama administration and congress, particularly the republican controlled house. as i watched the president during his recent press conference and listened t
you should think about it. it all depends on what my tax rate will be on the game that we will make. only in grover's imagination does such a response exist. it is quite another when republicans talk like this. >> i am not obligated on the pledge. the only thing i am honoring is the oath that i take when i am sworn in this january. >> the only pledge we should be making to each other is to avoid the coming brief. republicans should put revenue on the table. >> i would have signed -- i will not attack japan today. the world has changed. the economic situation is different. connell: the man behind this pledge, it sounds like, at least the storyline is, that you are losing your considerable influence within the republican party. >> well, first of all, our friend warren buffett a to get a confident ghostwriter. it is counterfactual and it is counter historical. in his imagination, warren buffett goes to talk to people to invest with him. you have money. you have earned money. if the federal government takes it away, they do not have money to invest with warren buffett. there is a warm b
, clinton, and the first george bush, moved away from a position no additional taxes. they all added revenues to deficit reduction. a significant amount of revenue. >> your colleague from georgia just this week said the following about that pledge not to raise any taxes. >> you know, that pledge i signed 20 years ago was valid then. it's valid now, but times have changed significantly.Ñi and i care more about this country than i do about a 20-year-old pledge. >> it is my view that the issue of taxes is the number one stumbling block to any kind of fiscal deal. that has to be resolved first before you can get to issues like sequestration. when you hear that from a colleague, does it say to you that there is room, and does the president do anything short of raising tax rates on the wealthy? is there anything short of that acceptable? >> well, you've got to raise additional revenues, including tax rates on the wealthy. >> those have to go up? >> they have to go up. there's ways of doing that. secondly, though, we've got to close some significant loopholes. for instance, the ones which
pass a law that would prevent a tax hike on the first $250,000 of everybody's income. >> the election's over. he won. congratulations. >> if we can get a few house republicans to agree as well -- >> we all agree but we're not going to raise taxes on people that make less than $250,000. we should take them out of this discussion. >> i've got a pen. i'm ready to sign it. >> he's got the republicans on the ropes and they know it. >> obama's answer to this budget crisis is to raise taxes on the wealthy just because he ran on that promise. and won the election. >> the president really wants to reach an agreement, he needs to be talking with the members of his own party right here in washington. >> it's too important for washington to screw this up. we really need to get this right. ♪ how do you like me now ♪ ♪ how do you like me now ♪ >> good afternoon, it is difficult to hold down the excitement here in new york. it is a growing frenzy that everyone's talking about. there are fantasies of celebration, if the numbers go their way. there are teams pooling resources.
, a new report out today showing how tax hike fears could impact consumer spending during the all-important holiday shopping season. part 2, the president's plans to take the issue straight to the voters and campaign style appearances and the use of an army of campaign volunteers to sell his message on tax hikes. the hope, that the coalition that put president obama back in office will help him ramp up the pressure on congress to make a deal. joining me now, chris van hollen and also a member of the house budget committee, congressman, good morning to you, sir. >> good morning, craig. great to be with you. >> the national journal reporting that the president could hold events related to the cliff this week. what are you hearing? >> well, i think that's right. i don't think anything has been settled. there have been on going conversations, but obviously the discussion will heat up this week now that the thanksgiving is behind us. >> what does the white house hope to accomplish with these types of events? >> well, look, this was not a side issue in the campaign. throughout the last
in this push for higher taxes. so that is the epicenter. i'm going to the epicenter. i have no fear for you. >> dana: hello. i'm dana perino with andrea tantaros, bob beckel, eric bolling, brian kilmeade. 5:00 in new york city. this is "the five." ♪ ♪ >> dana: congress 35 days to reach a deal and prevent the economy going over the fiscal cliff. no mystery what the issues areu. the democrats know, republicans know and so does president obama. entitlements are pushing the country toward financial ruin. here is what the president said in 2010. >> the major driver of the long-term liabilities is medicare, medicaid and healthcare spending. nothing comes close. social security we could probably fix the same way tip o'neil and ronald reagan sat down together and we could figure something out. that is manageable. medicare and medicaid, massive problems down the road. that's where, that is what our children have to worry about. >> dana: here we are, two years later and still no plan. on the left in congress refusing to deal with that simple reality. vermont senator bernie sanders caucuses with t
, by extending middle class tax cuts and raising taxes on the rich. >> it would give us more time than next year to work together. on a comprehensive plan to bring down the deficit, streamline our tax system. do in a balanced way. >> the president apparent shift away from spending and tax altogether now in a big deal could increase the chances of a market rattling fall off the cliff. since the republicans want spending cuts included. >> republicans are willing to put revenue on the table. but it's time for the president and democrats to get serious about the spending problem that our country has. >> the president's move came one day after two other big developments, suggesting democrats want tax hikes on the rich now, with the promise of cuts to programs like medicare later. on tuesday, senator dick durbin flatly declared entitlement reform should not be on the table. yesterday, top white house officials also met with leading liberal groups, from labor unions to moveon.org. with one attendee telling the "washington post" they expect the taxes to go up on the wealthy and to protect medicare and m
. president, you better watch yourself because we won the election. let's focus on those taxes on the rich. let's deal with entitlement down the line. that scares me. that is unrealistic. it goes against what we heard the president of the united states say. >> dana: when it comes to the math, do the math, they have a good opportunity in front of them. >> we heard senator reid said when asked he couldn't name any of the cut the democrats are willing to offer in the fiscal cliff negotiations. he said, "we need to get credit for cuts previously made." this is today. the cut previously made. i'm scratching my head to figure out what cuts the democrats made prior that they want credit for. if they did make credit cuts why did we run up four more years in a row? start fresh right now. talk about cuts and then talk about how are we going to raise revenues. >> eric: what would -- >> dana: what would harry reid mean by that? get credit on cuts they made. on what? >> bob: that is a $60,000 question. i'm not sure what he is talking about. but i know there will be cuts if entitlement program. readjust
the road to tout his tax plan. i will speak with lobbyist grover norquist and senator dick durbin about what hangs in the balance next. >>> a small town governor stood up to violence and vowed to keep fighting, but now her dead body has been found. her story when "ac 360" continues. >>> if you department get enough of campaign 2012, stay tuned. we learn that the president will push plan to raise taxes on income above a quarter million dollars a year. he'll be speaking friday at a factory in pennsylvania. some republicans are hinting to limiting deductions even if it means breaking the pledge that the lobbyist grover norquist has been lobbying against for years. joining us now to talk about it all, grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform. grover, thanks very much for coming in. >> good to be with you. >> the trend we're seeing now from members of congress questioning or pushing back on the pledge. we've seen it before to a certain degree, but we're seeing a lot more of it i sense right now. there's a sense this movement is gaining some steam. is this just more of the same,
back to work but the clock is ticking. unless lawmakers make a deal, automatic spending cuts and tax increases are just a matter of only a few weeks away for everyone. i'll ask a top member of the republican leadership if there's any room for serious compromise. >>> and if you own a home, deductions that save you money every year could be changing or simply going away. we're taking a closer look. >>> and ballpoint pens that hide poison needles and poison bullets. they sound like props in a cold war era spy movie. but they're part of a real assassination plot. we have details. i'm wolf blitzer. you're in "the situation room." >>> we're just 36 days away from the painful across-the-board spending cuts and tax increases people here in washington are calling the fiscal cliff. today, we have new proof that people across the country not only are aware of what's going on, they're very, very worried. our new poll shows 68% say the country will face either a crisis or major problems if the cuts in taxes aren't avoided. and a whopping 77% say their personal financial situation will be affected
an alternative minimum tax he had been talking about for the really wealthy. >> 30% or something. >> anybody from 1 to $10 million. also talked a little bit about raising the -- >> same thing he's been saying all along. >> he added that when it comes to who should be paying the higher taxes, he wants the threshold to be $500,000. >> and you see steven rattner on on talking about capital gains, deductions and things you've talked about a lot. >> time for the global markets report. ross westgate totally still confuse aed about thanksgiving and pilgrims. what was all the hoopla about? you celebrate boxing or something, don't you? like we lost a great boxer. is that what you celebrate? what is boxing day? >> boxing day, the day of a christmas. >> you wrap all your presents in boxes? >> i think it's something to do with all the presents. i'm not quite sure. >> yeah, put them in boxes. >> maybe. >> so you ignored our thanksgiving. but feeling okay again? >> yeah. you know, it's okay. it's all right. it's gone. now we can concentrate on the run up to christmas. and how much shopping we have to do. >> a
people from higher taxes but mitch mcconnell, senate republican leader, he says there has been no similar compromise from the democrats or the president. he says they are still holding out for higher tax rates on the rich and he says the radical left is prescenting the democrats and president and agreeing to serious reform from medicare. martha, i have to tell you. i got new numbers from medicare, from trustees, actually. medicare has to pay out in the future $42 trillion. that is money which it does not now have. so you can see that this is very serious issue. cuts in spending, cuts to medicare. who will make them? it is very serious because what that kind of money outstanding you need some kind of an agreement and fast. the bottom line right now, martha, it is again an impasse. martha: that's a huge number, stuart. it was about 38 trillion just less than a year ago i believe. >> yes. martha: so that number has really ballooned to 42 trillion as stuart shares with us in terms of those numbers. let's go back to the republican side for just a moment because i think there is a discrepancy i
me smile until the numbers come out. and then you will get taxed to kingdom come. it will not even help the deficit. warren buffett can help them out. lori rothman and melissa francis with more coming up. dagen: the market is up, that is good. good afternoon read >> pushing for middle-class tax cuts without any spending concessio concessions, president obama to meet with business leaders on the fiscal cliff after speaking just last hour. we'll ask lou dobbs that he thinks ceos will help to make deals happen. >> now washington is looking at the one sacred mortgage deduction, maybe get rid of it to help heal the budget crisis. >> charlie gasparino on the future of the firm. time for stocks as we do every 15 minutes, before the new york stock exchange, nicole petallides on the floor. a deal is possible by christmas. >> hoping to get some positive comments from john boehner. he is optimistic. a nice little boost. from negative to positive to the session highs, no 50 points away from dow 13,000 once again. the dow once again up 73 points. you have a lot of winners. the banking index is
norquist's anti-tax pledge. saying they're open to letting revenues rise if democrats do their part in the budget talks. >> when you're $16 trillion in debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other is to avoid becoming greece, and republicans should put revenue on the table. i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> a pledge you signed 20 years ago, 18 years ago is for that congress. for instance, if i were in congress in 1941, i would have signed the declaration of war against japan. we're not going to attack japan today. the world has changed, and the economic situation is different. >> so peter king is telling us, mike barnicle, not only is he going soft on taxes, he's going soft on japan. >> i know. >> it's not just peter king on the taxes. it's a big step, don't you think? >> it's a big step. >> grover. yeah, grover's taking a big hit since the election. there's no doubt about it. i think john, you'd verify this. number of republicans, i've talked to a couple of united states senators who
the politics are currently after the election. economists usually determine policy prior to tax rates. host: we are host: we are running out of time to give final thoughts as we conclude. what do you think is next on this debate? guest: we are weeks away from a deadline. an important one. where not only our tax policy is going to change but significant spending cuts are slated to take effect as well. i'm actually a little bit more concerned today than i was a day or two ago. in the sense at the moment policymakers are moving in opposite directions. in part that's the ways of washington and i think we'll see a few collapses before we ultimately get together somewhere in the days before christmas on a compromise. we have been talking about marginal tax rates, which i think are a key part not only of the budget question, but a key part of the broader economic question in terms of economic growth. and i'm hopeful that any solution that comes together is going to think a lot about economic growth and not just budgets. host: ethan? guest: i think i may be a little more hopeful than alex is. i think t
to compromise with republicans on taxes and spending. an identical 72% want republicans to do the same, compromise with the other side. as for what compromise should entail, 67% favor a mix of spending cuts and tax increases. that's what they say real progress would look like. keeping them honest, real progress is one thing. washington progress is another. so far at least we see much more of the second than the first, and we're getting late new word that any progress might be stalled. more on that shortly. first, a good example of washington progress. republican lawmakers standing up in a limited way to a beltway power broker named grovier norquist over the 1980s era pledge he pressures them to sign promising not to raise any taxes ever. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge. i made tennesseans aware. i was just elected. the only thing i'm honoring is the oath i take when i serve when i'm sworn in this january. >> that's senator bob corker and one of the a handful up republican lawmakers repudiating the pledge. he'll join us shortly. i'll ask him to be more specific about whether that's h
on the negotiating table. the white house warned that the uncertainty of potential tax hikes for middle-class taxpayers could hurt consumer confidence during the holiday shopping session. that could have a big effect on the economy. the washington post writes that the white house is ratcheting up pressure to avoid the fiscal cliff. on c-span tonight, we will bring you some of the house and senate debate from august of 2011, when congress passed the budget control act that triggered cuts to take effect on january 1. we will also hear from president obama, who signed the deficit reduction measure into law, part of the deal to raise the debt ceiling. first, senate majority leader harry reid and republican majority leader mitch mcconnell will talk on the senate floor about the january fiscal deadline. >> since our country voted to return president obama to the white house, i have spoken often about compromise. i remain optimistic that, when it comes to our economy, when it comes to protecting middle-class families from a whopping tax hike, republicans and democrats will be able to find comm
the of consumers but will the possibility of higher tax slow them down? we'll talk with matthew shay of the national retail federation and john sweeney of fidelity investments. plus the holiday is over and the white house and congressional leaders try to make a deal. we'll ask our sunday panel if negotiators can reach a compromise to avoid the fiscal cliff. and a thanksgiving tradition, our power player of the week has me dancing with turkeys. all, right now, on fox news sunday. ♪ >> chris: and, hello again, from fox news in washington. on this holiday weekend, we are watching several major foreign policy developments from egypt, to gaza. to the continuing controversy over the benghazi attacks. here to talk about it all is senator john mccain, and, senator, welcome back to fox news sunday. >> thank you, chris, dancing with turkeys? >> chris: you have to wait until the end of the show to see. >> i thought we were doing that now! >> chris: president mohamed morsi, gave himself almost unchecked powers and sent thousands into the streets, the people who have been helping to topple hosn
to sign a pledge from somebody else. >> what they're talking about again is tax revenue and the house speaker has talked about it. mitt romney campaigned on it. >> lowering deductions and closing loopholes. >> eliminate or limit rather deductions and credits and exemptions. cutting out the exemptions and loopholes. >> grow this economy and engage in tax reform. >> simplify the code. >> ywhen you get divorced, thats what happens. ♪ >> welcome back after the thanksgiving holiday and all eyes are on the fast approaching fiscal cliff with republicans possibly maybe looking to make a deal. with the deadline now just 36 days away, some top republicans suggest they could, shock, horror, break with their sacred pledge to grover norquist. >> i'm not obligated on the pledge i made tennesseans aware is just elected that the only thing i'm honoring is the oath that i take when i serve when i'm sworn in this january. >> there's a lot that has been said about this pledge, and i will tell you when i go to the constituents that have elected -- re-elected me, it is not about that pledge. it really i
more important for these small businesses are the tax hikes and the tax increases that they are facing come the end of the year. a tax increase for top net income earners, from 35 to 39.6% in 2013. for all intents and purposes that involves small business owners? >> it's a lot of them. there is a fight going on. the left saying it will not affect small business too much. the right is saying it will. there is a lot of politics going on. my only question is how taking money out of anybody to put into washington, d.c. which is has been very ineffective with our capital is going to help -- i don't get it. somebody runs a small business and make a few hundred thousand a year to tell them you are going to pay $15-20,000 a year plus obamacare, i on don't think that is good news. i wish they had a better idea. elections have consequences. i gather taxes are going up. >> heather: according to ernest & young they are projecting that that tax rate will kill 710,000 small business jobs. people, individuals support businesses help that? >> yes, it's going to help. look, there is a reality. dollars
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putting limits on their no tax pledge and telling grover norquist to get lost. but remember, there's only one of those people in the house of representatives. >>> keeping hope and change alive. president obama's aides are hoping to keep the campaign going and use their new leverage at the polls to win the fight for higher taxes against the wealthy. >>> this is "hardball," the place for politics. >>> get ready for some more partisan agendas in the state governments across the country. that's because come january at least 37 states will be under single party control. 37 of them. with one party holding both houses of state legislatures and the governorship. and that's the largest number of states under single party control in 60 years. 24 of those 37 states will be controlled by republicans and 13 under democratic control. we'll be right back. >>> welcome back to politics and "hardball." abortion politics, particularly anti-abortion politics, has been a guiding principle of republican politics for decades. yesterday senator john mccain stepped back from the edge and seemed to say it was time
is that revenue going to come from? >> increasing tax rates is going to harm economic growth. >> warren buffett was out this morning talking about tacking the wealthy. >> time to make the tax rates more progressive. >> that's just silly. >> grover norquist, he wanted ground government in the bathtub. i hope he slips in there with it. >> medicaid, social security. >> this is not part of the conversation. we're not going to raid social security. just another fight in washington. >> there's going to be blood and hair and eyeballs all over the floor. >> i'm more positive than most. >> if not, we go off the supposed cliff. >> the fiscal cliff or slope. the bump of various height. >>> thelma and louise might need to make room in the car for the president of the united states. at the white house today, senior obama administration officials met with liberal leaders and union officials. "the washington post" reports that one told him after the meeting, quote, would the white house go off the cliff if it's between that and compromising their core principles? i was left with the impression that they would
. we had the judd gregg kent conrad. we know it. it has been doing something with actual tax revenues. mitt romney proved during the campaign you cannot do it just by doctoring up the tax code. that should be part of the deal. we need to have tax reform, we have to have the people that have done so well during the difficult time with the economy, the richest of the rich will have to pay a little bit more to solve the idea of the problems of the country. -- to solve the financial problems of this country. >> good afternoon, everyone. as we head into the fiscal cliff negotiations, my advice to the president would be -- seems like our friends on the other side are having difficulty turning off the campaign. we need to sit down and work this matter out. i think we have a clear sense of the year to do something important for the country. we all know that the most critical steps to be taken are to save the entitlements, which are on an unsustainable path to bankruptcy. there's no better time to begin to fix that problem than right now. so i would hope our friends on the other side can kind
and continue negotiations over the looming automatic spending cuts and tax hikes that could kick in at the start of the new year. the administration is out with a brand new report this morning showing how letting taxes go up for everyone just to protect the richest americans would cut consumer spending and slow growth by about a point and a half. according to the president's council of economic advisers, we would spend about $200 billion less next year because we would be paying more in taxes. consumer spending is about 70% of our gdp. up until now hundreds of republicans have been tied to the grover norquist-created pledge not to raise taxes. but current economic reality is setting in and conservatives are starting to stray with conditions. here is south carolina senator lindsey graham. >> ly violate the pledge, long story short for the good of the country only if democrats will do entitlement reform. >> that's a whole nother conversation. on the issue of taxes warren buffett has written an op-ed in "the new york
bipartisan consensus to raise taxes on the wealthy, the sides are still far apart on where the revenue will come from. staff level negotiations are a little bit more than stalled. not fully stalled but they didn't go so great last week and it's unclear where speaker boehner will get the votes for a deal that would raise tax rates. which is why he's pushing against that idea. two senate republicans up for re-election in 2014 have bucked norquist saying they are willing to let taxes ride. chambliss spoke to his hometown station. >> that pledge i signed 20 years ago was valid then. it's valid now, but times have changed significantly. and i care more about this country than i do about a 20-year-old pledge. >> on sunday south carolina senator lindsey graham also broke ranks saying the norquist pledge can no longer be a conservative litmus test. >> when you're $16 trillion in it debt, the only pledge we should be making to each other is to avoid becoming greece. but i will violate the pledge, long story short, for the good of the country only if it democrats will do entitlement reform. >> b
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